> Interview With Dr. Radovan
> Karadzic, President of Republika Srpska. by Zoran Petrovic
> - Pirocanac, August 1994.1
>
> Mr. President, from the time of Lisbon Conference we are
> entering a
> period of re-drawing of the territorial map of Bosnia and
> Herzegovina
> (BH). The world politics have not spoken about the map
> thus far.
> Would you please explain to the Serbian public few things
> which have
> not yet been explained ? Let's start with what has
> happened with
> Cutilhiero's plan.
>
> You are correct, the main problem has always been the
> territorial map
> of BH, which proves that this has been the war for
> territory. This
> is
> the Cutiliero's preliminary map which has before the war
> given to us
> (the Serbs) approximately 50% of the territory. We were
> not
> completely satisfied with it, but we accepted it at first
> because it
> has, for the first time, attempted to divide BH into 3
> sections.
> Remember, in the West we accepted our border to be river
> Una. They
> have admitted there are some Muslims below the mountains
> of Grmech
> and
> Kozara, but we were hoping that we could trade this
> territory with
> something, as for example they wanted to trade some area
> around
> Kupres
> for an area in the Posavina (river Sava valley). However,
> this map
> shows what all future maps will show, a devastating
> severing of
> Serbian territory in the vicinity of Brcko. Western
> interests were
> making sure that there is no basis for formation of
> Serbian country.
> That looks, at the start, like the long term noose around
> the Serbian
> necks.
> Yes, absolutely, but we accepted it reluctantly. This was
> a big step
> for us, since the Muslims thought that we would not accept
> it. We
> fought to have this as a preliminary map as this was for
> the first
> time that Muslims and Croats were accepting the division
> of Bosnia
> into 3 parts. We were not happy with East Bosnia,
> Sarajevo, although
> it can be seen that Sarajevo was divided between Serbs and
> Muslims.
> We were not happy with the Neretva valley. We were happy
> with Una,
> and we could accept that as such.
>
> Here you can see a map from Vance-Owen plan. Black areas
> show the
> territories which we had to give up . Again, note that we
> were cut
> off near Brcko. Not only that, in this example we had
> lost Mt. Ozren,
> Doboj and whole Posavina region and important areas in
> Eastern Bosnia,
> up here in Western Bosnia as well.
>
> You know, on Vance desk we saw special maps of mining
> resources which
> were issued by CIA. We realized that a lot of importance
> was given to
> the mine Ljubija, coal mine Kamengrad and all hydro power
> stations on
> rivers Drina and Neretva. Therefore, the West has
> insisted that these
> assets are given to the Croats. I must say that Croats
> are the only
> ones who have a real friend in Germany. Neither are the
> Americans
> friends of the Muslims, they have not done anything for
> the Muslims,
> nor have the Russians done anything for us, but Germans
> have always
> made sure that Croats get what they want. Therefore, the
> Croats could
> always accept everything that they (Germans) suggest.
>
> You have mentioned the mine Ljubija. It is interesting to
> note that
> Gorring has exploited these same territories in WW2. I
> think that CIA
> has taken everything from the Germans,.. photos and other
> intelligence. This is the essence of this whole thing.
>
> Now, in light of all this, you can understand why there is
> this green
> area on the map here. One other German, or more
> accurately, an
> Austrian, Kurt Waldheim, has committed genocide against
> Serbs here in
> WW2, for example, he has executed, slaughtered, in the
> area of Sanski
> Most, in one day over 5,300 Serbs. In this area, Bosanska
> Krupa and
> Bihac districts, Serbs were in absolute majority. Over
> 2/3 or 70 to
> 77%, of the population here was Serbian. Therefore, if
> you now
> attempt to tell the inhabitants of Mt. Grmech Region, Mt.
> Kozara
> Region or those of Sana Valley, and others from these
> regions that
> they will be dealt to someone else, you are going to meet
> vehement
> resistance not only from these people, but also from the
> people from
> here (points to South Eastern Bosnia). There is in
> existence an
> absolute National solidarity among people here and we all
> are equally
> concerned and interested in how our country will be
> shaped.
>
> If I remember correctly, Alija Izetbegovic has accepted
> this, but he
> later gave a completely different announcement on TV. Why
> ?
>
> Izetbegovic does not make decisions alone. He receives
> completed
> plans from the Americans. I can say with absolute
> certainty, this has
> already been confirmed, that first of all Zimmerman, and
> later other
> high American officials, have advised what to accept what
> to reject.
> In other wards, if the pressure was eased Izetbegovic
> would accept
> some things, however, they would encourage him again to
> reject
> agreements as they sould promise to help him retain
> unitary Bosnia.
> This war, if it was not caused by US, and I think it was
> because we
> could, with Lisbon Paper
>
> get by without a war, or at least we would be where we are
> now. We
> could heve 3 entities, and there would be no war.
> Zimmerman is guilty
> of this war because he talked Izetbegovic into rejecting
> the
> agreement. If US did not cause this war they are
> certainly extending
> it since whenever
> we came close to a suitable solution, some American would
> come and
> encourage Muslims to reject the agreement. We first hear
> (in the
> media)
> haw no pressure should be applied on either of the three
> sides.
> President Clinton has stated many times how he doesn't
> want a forced
> solution. This has been valid only for Muslims, since
> Serbs have
> always been pressured.
>
> Then, there was a big mayhem around Vance-Owen Plan in
> April and May.
> I remember that none from Republika Srpska leadership has
> come out on
> Serbian TV to explain. It was not clear to Serbian people
> what was
> meant by Vance Owen Plan. Why was it unacceptable to you
> ?
>
> Here is a more detailed map of Vance-Owen Plan. See, they
> were giving
> to the Muslims, on river Una, whole city of Krupa, even
> though half of
> it was ours, and before WW2 it was over 75% Serbian, they
> were giving
> away large part of Mt. Grmech, Sanski Most, Kozarac,
> Prijedor,
> Bosanski Novi.
>
> Mines again.
>
> Mines, river valleys, this is the heart of Krajina. They
> left
> completely barren areas of Mt. Grmech, Bosansko Grahovo,
> Drvar,
> Mrkonjic Grad. This is completely barren. There is no
> base for life
> or existence here. Only a small region of Lijevce Polje
> around
> Banjaluka was left for us. Furthermore, we lost Posavina
> completely,
> we were again cut off here (corridor). Again, you see
> this
> consistency in the Western based maps. Also, we lost
> Doboj, Mt. Ozren,
> Zvornik, whole Bratunac, which is Serbian. We lost a
> great deal of
> Foca. They gave us few wild-goat paths around here. This
> was a
> charicature of a map where Serbs would not have essential
> basis for
> existence. These were all water-logged areas,
> uninhabitable
> mountains, barren lands and generally areas with no
> natural resources
> and means for support of life. BH would stay within the
> current
> borders. We would be relegated to unimportant peripheral
> regions
> where we could absolutely not exist. There would be no
> Serbs in BH
> within 5 years. In addition, first attack by Croats would
> see Serbian
> Krajina fall to them. We could not even drive a bicycle
> through the
> corridor in the North, never mind anything else.
>
> Again, it looks like the battle was fought very carefully
> about assets
> and resources. It looks like they knew very well what to
> give you and
> what to confiscate. How could you calculate the monetary,
> or
> proportional (by population), value of this division ? I
> think that
> Serbs received, by far, the least.
>
> According to Vance-Owen Plan, Serbs are getting
> approximately 15% of
> BH. Current Plan is awarding to us approximately 20% of
> the
> real-estate
>
> value of BH, even though enormous part of the landmass is
> ours. I am
> not talking about, what some sworn Serbs regard that large
> numbers of
> people in BH who are currently Catholics or Muslims are of
> Serbian
> dissent and that they are Serbs. I accept the present
> reality that
> they do not want to be Serbs. Even this map of 1991
> census, which was
> largely falsified by Muslims, shows large areas inhabited
> and owned by
> Serbs. This is what Cutllero had in mind when he drew this
> map of
> roughly 50% Serbian BH. This is Alija's falsification.
> When we
> checked this map we found in many areas that there were
> more voting
> age people, that is population older than 18, the voting
> age, than
> total population of the same area. If you consider that
> non-voting
> population of any society is roughly 30%, the Serbs were
> cheated by
> 30% of the population numbers. Even with this you can
> still see that
> BH is predominantly a Serbian country. It is spotted with
> green
> (Muslim) areas. Here, (in the South) there is a compacted
> Croatian
> area, but the rest of it is in fact a Serbian land. Look
> at the
> current factual situation. Here you can see, and this has
> caught the
> foreigners' eye, that the Serbs are in fact on the
> parameter of their
> territories, and that this is by no means aggression. If
> we were to
> take over this (Muslim) area, even then it would not be an
> aggression,
> because it is an internal matter, or a civil war. We
> have, as you can
> see protected our people. In this area (Sarajevo region)
> there are
> around a hundred thousand Serbs, together with Sarajevo.
> We are
> currently pleading for their release as they are in fact
> ethnic
> prisoners. Look at Eastern Bosnia, the areas of
> Srebrenica, Zepa and
> Gorazde - what they have been reduced to. In 1948 Eastern
> Bosnia was
> completely populated by Serbs. Even by Alija's map in
> 1991 census
> between Trebinje
>
> and Sremska Raca 56% of the population was Serbian. Of
> course,
> Muslims want strategically to stay against river Drina and
> to retain
> contact with Sandzak and Kosovo. They are trying to
> create sleeve
> here for them (Gorazde), and they are telling us that
> after
> everything is said and done we will be able to trade this
> for
> something else. There is no Muslim alive who would dare
> to sign away
> East Bosnia. Even if anybody allowed him that much. This
> would be
> tantamount to us saying that we agree to give up all ties
> with Serbia.
> However, if we don't allow this then they are bound to
> exchange these
> enclaves.
>
> It is interesting that President Milosevic about a month
> ago had a
> meeting with people from government coalition and that he
> surprisingly
> devoted a significant portion of that meeting to a very
> knowledgeable
> presentation about the Drina Valley (Podrinje). He said
> that Podrinje
> is extremely important for Serbia of 21st century. He
> sees it as one
> of the most important issues for Serbia in the 21st
> century.
>
> Yes, we have talked. He had looked at some old drawings
> where river
> Drina would become a source of clean water and electricity
> for
> Belgrade.
>
> We have proclaimed Drina as the backbone of Serbian people
> - and that
> we would not allow Drina to be a border between Serbs and
> Serbs - and
> that Drina will be a source of water for Belgrade children
> as they
> will drink water from Drina. We will abolish all
> industrial
> installations such as Vitkovichi etc. on Drina and leave
> it as a
> source of electro-power and clean water. This will be one
> of rare
> European rivers with completely clean water, and Belgrade
> will be a
> metropolitan city with cleanest drinking water in Europe.
> New
> generations will drink fresh mountain water from Drina
> watershed. We
> can make 24 more hydro power stations on Drina. This can
> supply all
> Serbs with electricity. Drina has always been a Serbian
> river in its
> entirety. The fact that Muslims have a high natality rate
> does not
> give them the right to someone else's country. There used
> to be fewer
> Muslims in East Bosnia than in Sarajevo, Zenica and Tuzla.
> Those Serbs
> who could they fled. Zvornik, before WW2 was largely
> Serbian. Now,
> Zvornik is completely Serbian because Muslims fled to
> Central Bosnia,
> and Serbs from Central Bosnia fled to Zvornik. This is
> not ethnic
> cleansing. This is not planned relocation. This was
> decided and done
> by chaos. But, this is one of the new realities of this
> war. We have
> told Mr. Owen that if you wish to give Zvornik to Muslims
> you must
> move Serbs to Zenica and bring the Muslims from Zenica to
> Zvornik. To
> accomplish this, or to go back to status quo ante, you
> need a new war
> as big and as bloody as this one. That is why Zvornik was
> left out of
> negotiations.
>
> I have read an analysis of the battle for Gorazde by
> Joseef Bodanski,
> an American expert. It was interesting that he noted an
> essential
> difference which is that the Muslims lead an offensive,
> not Westward
> toward Sarajevo as expected, but Eastward toward Sandzak
> and Kosovo.
> Is it possible, can it be said then that your forces were
> protecting
> Yugoslavia ?
>
> Absolutely, we did defend Yugoslavia. Their aim was to
> break through
> to the border with Yugoslavia and to ignite Sandzak and
> Kosovo, so
> they could guarantee incidents continually. If they could
> reach the
> Yugoslavian border, constant incidents would be
> unavoidable. That
> would
>
> be a pretext for the international community to send
> military force
> and thereby to expose Serbia to further humiliation. To
> that end, I
> came up
>
> with a plan which the commanders developed into a working
> plan. The
> objectives were to repel the attacks toward Drina.
> Secondly, to
> return to Drina. Thirdly, to reduce the Gorazde enclave
> and render it
> unimportant. And fourth, to tell the truth, I had had
> enough of their
> offensives as it was beginning to look like they could
> gain something
> by force. All of us here decided that we must undertake
> a counter
> offensive as it was beginning to look like the Muslims
> could achieve
> something by force. Their allies were becoming hopeful.
> They were
> delaying negotiations to give the Muslims time. I
> announced through
> the news papers that we were preparing a counter
> offensive. I told
> them that if they did not cease their offensive within one
> week that
> we were going to mount a counter offensive. We executed a
> brilliant
> counter offensive. When the umprofor Generals saw it,
> they could not
> believe that we did it. Mladic was there in person giving
> direction.
> Many other commanders participated and they did an
> extremely good job.
> General Rose thought that the Muslims fled deliberately
> to induce
> NATO anger against Serbs. However, that is not true. The
> brilliant
> tactics of our Supreme Command was to attack their
> fortified positions
> with half of our forces. The other half went for soft
> spots and they
> made great gains. All of a sudden the Muslims realized
> that they were
> fired upon from all directions. They ran frantically.
> They held
> positions which they could defend for decades. This battle
> should
> enter history books of warfare since our forces conducted
> a brilliant
> attack from all sides, East, North, South and partially
> from the West.
> They persued Muslims. This was a large enclave
> stretching all the
> way to the boarder. We have reduced it to an unimportant
> region.
>
> Mr. President, since the problems with Yugoslavia began it
> is evident
> that all of you leaders had a dignified, reserved
> viewpoint. It was
> evident that you did not seek friction of any kind, even
> though you
> were characterized with rather rough language. As we
> mentioned at the
> beginning these maps were very poorly understood by the
> public. As
> we are in front of this very detailed map let's see what
> is your
> argument to counter these accusations from all sides.
>
> I am not going to talk about the accusations dealing with
> personal
> attacks from Serbia and Montenegro. We were all ready to
> relinquish
> power the minute we are united. I have never been in
> government even
> after last elections. Personally, until one month before
> the war, I
> was not even in the government. I conducted my usual
> work-related
> obligations, mornings in my riding office and afternoons
> elsewhere. I
> never used to spend time in the government.
>
> Let's stay with geo-political theme.
>
> Yes, here is what our brothers from Serbia do not
> understand. First,
> we fought for a country. We have a country. I am not
> talking about
> an area. It is between 68 and 70% depending on where the
> undecided
> territories end up. Percentages are not our exceptionally
> proud or
> satisfying part. But we are satisfied because it is a
> country. The
> country exists. It was formed on January 9th, 1992. It
> established
> its borders. It was confirmed in the war. It was
> liberated. It
> established its government. Its constitution has already
> been
> ammended once. It is a free country. The people, in this
> region, for
> the first time in the past 600 years feel completely
> free. We are
> most proud of the freedom. It is individual freedom. I
> beg of you to
> investigate this. Go talk with our people. You will see a
> total
> freedom and pride among Serbian people to be finally free
> and living
> in their country. With this other plan we are not loosing
> only
> territory, we are loosing the country. We are asked to
> accept BH with
> its outside borders as a country. This country would be
> recognized by
> UN. Inside this country, we don't have 3 or 4 entities as
> in
> Vance-Owen Plan, but we are getting one entity. Area-wise
> we are
> getting a bit more of Posavina than in V-O Plan.
> Therefore, since V-O
> plan we no longer have 3 entities, but one. We would have
> certain
> autonomy, we can call it Republika Srpska, with no
> international legal
> importance. When they in Serbia talk about guaranteed
> borders, these
> are not internationally recognized borders, but
> internationally
> guaranteed borders. What this means is that the
> international
> community guarantees that the Muslims would not attack us
> if we were
> to retreat to these borders. The guarantees of the
> international
> community is not worth much. This same international
> community (IC)
> has guaranteed Tudjman the AVNOJ borders of Croatia, and
> we still
> protected our areas there. The same IC guaranteed the
> borders of BH,
> but it could not keep the guarantee. In every future war
> we would
> loose everything since the Muslims would, from their new
> positions,
> destroy us.
>
> Forgive me. Can we identify the points which would be
> eventual
> springboards for future continuation. For instance,
> Kupres, Ozren,
> Brcko, Drina Valley.
>
> Yes, I wanted to add something overall. This is something
> which is
> better than V-O plan. If we signed V-O plan we would
> never have a
> country. If we sign this, we still would not have a
> country, but we
> would be in a somewhat better position. V-O plan was
> worse. We would
> not have a country. Therefore, not a single smart Serb
> would invest
> here as we have to go through the eye of a needle here
> (points to
> corridor). Absolutely uncertain, and this would not do.
>
> Let's look at the military strategic positions. The front
> line is
> approximately like this: Kupres is ours, then past
> Bugojno - that's
> ours, Donji Vakuf, Srbobran is ours over Komar Mt., then
> you go to
> past Mt. Vlasic, they took Vrucica Hotsprings even though
> it was
> ours, Teslic is ours, then the line goes this way (showing
> on the
> map), past Mt. Ozren to Vozuca past Spreca, past Trebava
> and somewhere
> around here (showing) to Majevica Mt.
>
> Kupres Vrata (door) is the door to Central Bosnia.
> Whoever controls
> Kupres and eventually Makljen they control a large area.
> You see,
> even if we did accept that Croats use this area
> eventually, we would
> not hand it over until the crisis between Serbian and
> former Croatian
> Krajina is concluded. We can not leave this area and
> allow the
> invasion, or any kind of pressure, on Serbian Krajina from
> Central
> Bosnia.
>
> Therefore, he who controls Kupres controls this area
> toward Glamoch,
> Shipovo etc. Furthermore, (moving up on the map) here they
> are taking
> a part of Mt. Grmech, a Sana River Valley all the way to
> Kljuc. These
> are best areas of this Krajina. Here it is bordering with
> mountains.
> From this other side they are taking Jajce, now complete
> city even
> though we agreed otherwise, and this is allowing the
> Muslims to, in
> some future crisis or war, or immediately after we
> retreat, connect
> this (these two points), thereby cutting off these two
> Krajinas from
> each other, i.e. Drvar Krajina from Banjaluka Krajina,
> thus opening
> the road to Banjaluka and Mrkonjic Grad in which case
> Banjaluka would
> fall. That is certain. If the Muslims are here (pointing
> to Sana
> Valley) and here (pointing to Jajce area) then there is no
> existence
> of either Drvar or Banjaluka Krajinas. They simply come
> down the river
> valleys and this has to fall because there are no good
> fortification
> positions from which to defend these areas. Mt. Ozren is
> being taken
> in its entirety, which we can not allow, Doboj, the whole
> city, they
> are leaving us a railway. Ozren dominates over
> surrounding valleys
> and Posavina can not be defended if we loose Ozren. That
> is why we are
> determined to defend Ozren, and will defend it to the end
> of war,
> including Vozuca. They 'lost (broke) teeth' there as they
> had large
> casualties. They want Vozuca badly.
>
> Take a look, for example, at this corridor. This looks
> more like a
> tunnel than a corridor. Here, the Serbs can not reside,
> live and
> prosper. We would have to maintain army bases along here
> to secure
> this difficult transit. They left us few paths, and
> substandard
> roads. They have not left us a single decent road or a
> railroad, they
> left a part of a railroad. We would loose population
> here.
> Eventually, we would have to crawl over or under, it
> doesn't matter, a
> certain bridge in Brcko, a rich city which was founded by
> us. They
> would be on top of Majevica Mt., O.K. currently we are
> both on top of
> Majevica, but we do not plan to go further, they do plan
> to go occupy
> Semberija Valley. That is why Majevica is important to
> them. It is
> not important to us to be on Majevica in conquering sense,
> since we do
> not wish to occupy their territories. As you can see
> here, we are
> squeezed here. Then, Mt. Romania was chewed off; from
> this side, Han
> Pjesak, the corridor here, is only around 10 km. This is
> absolutely
> critical as it can easily be cut here. Mr. Izetbegovic
> was always
> interested in Han Pijesak. He even wanted to trade Serbs
> from Han
> Pjesak with Muslims from Sandzak, which we can not even
> consider.
> Therefore, in any future war, this would happen again.
> Izetbegovic was
> not satisfied with access to Drina from this side
> (pointing South of
> S.P), but he wanted to reach Drina from this side
> (pointing North of
> S.P). Furthermore, you see these enclaves have grown so
> much. It is
> completely illogical. If they were asking to enlarge
> Central part
>
> of their country and to reduce enclaves, that would be a
> country
> building logic. But, they have no country building logic,
> they want a
> springboard for future connecting with Sandzak, Kosovo,
> etc. That is
> certainly their long term strategy. And Turkey is
> interested in this.
> As long as there is a connection between Central Bosnia
> and Sandzak,
> Turkey will harbour appetite for return to the Balkans all
> the way to
> Bosnia. Therefore, this is not important only for
> Republika Srpska.
> This is equally important to Yugoslavia, Montenegro,
> Macedonia,
> Kosovo, Bulgaria. Our position on river Drina is
> important to all
> these countries. It is important for stability in the
> Balkans. The
> minute the Muslims have no such ambitions, Turkey will
> revise their
> ambitions toward Bosnia and it will connect with it via
> the sea.
>
> This looks like this is not an imaginary thought, but a
> very concrete
> geo-political plan.
>
> Absolutely, this is not an imaginary thought, this is a
> long term
> strategic concept which does not have to materialize
> immediately.
> But, the Muslims are figuring long term, they are counting
> on their
> natality rate.
>
> I just want to comment on river Posavina which was 56%
> Serbian. Brod,
> before WW2 was Serbian, before this recent war, Serbs and
> Yugoslavs
> constituted a majority. Derventa, without Yugoslavs, is
> of Serbian
> majority, Modrica also. Shamac also. We are holding
> this from the
> beginning of war. Mr. Tudjman had agreed to get parts of
> Odzak
> district, a part of Derventa district and a part of Brod
> district.
> Brod, Derventa, Modrica, Shamac and few villages around
> Odzak which
> are inhabited by Serbs, would be given to Serbs. Why did
> they change
> this even though Tujman had already agreed with this, we
> don't know
> this, but this is one of the reasons why we don't want to
> accept it.
> Now, you see, when they were saying that we should have
> accepted V-O
> plan, and that this was not a problem, we have realized
> that this was
> a problem if Krajina was to be handed over to Croatia,
> because it
> would be enough if they had 5,000 soldiers here (corridor)
> and 5,000
> soldiers here (Zvornik
>
> region) since Zvornik would be handed over to the
> Muslims. But now,
> in current situation, it is enough to have a credible
> force here and
> in the Muslim parts of Bosnia, and on river Drina, to have
> the
> Yugoslavian crisis resolved by the wishes of the West.
> Germany can
> not stand neither Russian nor American soldiers any
> longer.
> Therefore, Germany will be left without NATO bases.
> America (US) does
> not wish to leave Europe. America must prove to Europe
> that Europe
> can't do anything without them. That is why they are
> prolonging this
> crisis. They are trying to get whole of BH and to get our
> signature,
> to legally and legitimately move NATO forces to BH and to
> stay here
> for ever. As soon as they arrive, they would immediately
> fill this
> area around Drina with large numbers of people, and a
> large force.
> They would start the provocations of Serbia again,
> satanization of
> Serbia, flaring up Sandzak and Kosovo, and further
> blackmailing of
> Serbia.
>
> Activating Vojvodina ?
>
> Activating Vojvodina, etc. We will not put our signature
> to NATO
> arrival here ! Serbia can not withstand such borders !
> If we give
> in, Serbia will have most hostile borders in the world.
> For example,
> with the exception of Romania, all its neibours have
> potential
> territorial appetites toward Serbia. Serbia will have to
> accept
> humiliation, since she is surrounded from all sides.
>
> Strategically it is completely surrounded.
>
> Absolutely, strategically it is completely surrounded. We
> are the
> lungs of Serbia, and its other leg on which Serbia can
> stand.
>
>
> Knowing the situation in Republika Srpska, knowing your
> parliament,
> and
> I think that in Serbia the power of your parliament is
> little known,
> even if you wanted, after this explanation, to accept and
> sign for
> something like this, you would not dare sign something
> like this,
> because, as I mentioned yesterday in a conversation with
> Professor
> Plavsic, your leadership would not stay alive very long if
> you
> accepted something like
>
> this.
>
> No, the leadership would obviously have to fall, but
> irrespective of
> that, the plan would not be accepted. However, what would
> happen then
> ?
>
> Then, I would expose our people to the bombing by NATO,
> because they
> are not honoring a signature. This way it is very
> difficult for them
> to come here without our signature. That would be
> illegal, and
> illegitimate. Otherwise, they need strong reasons for
> bombing. If we
> sign, we all can resign and leave our positions, but then
> it would be
> a different situation. It is not any longer Republika
> Srpska. Now,
> we are rebels, whose leadership has accepted BH, and
> whose particular
> elements are rebelling and do not obey, and then a hunting
> of Serbs
> and their rebel leaders would begin. We can not allow
> this. We have
> no right to do that, to legitimize and legalize presence
> of NATO on
> the borders of Serbia and in
>
> former BH and to legitimize the presence of NATO here, and
> to
> legitimize the hunting of Serbs whose leadership accepted
> a particular
> plan. The Serbs would not accept. I am not doing what I
> want, I am
> doing what I must do ! I can not accept this ! Nobody in
> our
> leadership can accept this. We have no cracks in our
> leadership.
> Supreme command is united, main headquarters is unified,
> the army is
> unified, people are united, we
>
> can not accept this, this can not be signed. Nobody has
> the right to
> sign this, and if it was signed it could not be
> implemented because
> the Serbs would rebel. But, then the Serbs would be easy
> prey to
> NATO, our signature would serve to pronounce them as
> rebels and allow
> their killing.
>
> Thank you Mr. President.
> 1 Before sanctions were imposed on Republika Srpska by
> Srbia, August
> 5, 1994..
>
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> Karadzic, President of Republika Srpska. by Zoran Petrovic
> - Pirocanac, August 1994.1
>
> Mr. President, from the time of Lisbon Conference we are
> entering a
> period of re-drawing of the territorial map of Bosnia and
> Herzegovina
> (BH). The world politics have not spoken about the map
> thus far.
> Would you please explain to the Serbian public few things
> which have
> not yet been explained ? Let's start with what has
> happened with
> Cutilhiero's plan.
>
> You are correct, the main problem has always been the
> territorial map
> of BH, which proves that this has been the war for
> territory. This
> is
> the Cutiliero's preliminary map which has before the war
> given to us
> (the Serbs) approximately 50% of the territory. We were
> not
> completely satisfied with it, but we accepted it at first
> because it
> has, for the first time, attempted to divide BH into 3
> sections.
> Remember, in the West we accepted our border to be river
> Una. They
> have admitted there are some Muslims below the mountains
> of Grmech
> and
> Kozara, but we were hoping that we could trade this
> territory with
> something, as for example they wanted to trade some area
> around
> Kupres
> for an area in the Posavina (river Sava valley). However,
> this map
> shows what all future maps will show, a devastating
> severing of
> Serbian territory in the vicinity of Brcko. Western
> interests were
> making sure that there is no basis for formation of
> Serbian country.
> That looks, at the start, like the long term noose around
> the Serbian
> necks.
> Yes, absolutely, but we accepted it reluctantly. This was
> a big step
> for us, since the Muslims thought that we would not accept
> it. We
> fought to have this as a preliminary map as this was for
> the first
> time that Muslims and Croats were accepting the division
> of Bosnia
> into 3 parts. We were not happy with East Bosnia,
> Sarajevo, although
> it can be seen that Sarajevo was divided between Serbs and
> Muslims.
> We were not happy with the Neretva valley. We were happy
> with Una,
> and we could accept that as such.
>
> Here you can see a map from Vance-Owen plan. Black areas
> show the
> territories which we had to give up . Again, note that we
> were cut
> off near Brcko. Not only that, in this example we had
> lost Mt. Ozren,
> Doboj and whole Posavina region and important areas in
> Eastern Bosnia,
> up here in Western Bosnia as well.
>
> You know, on Vance desk we saw special maps of mining
> resources which
> were issued by CIA. We realized that a lot of importance
> was given to
> the mine Ljubija, coal mine Kamengrad and all hydro power
> stations on
> rivers Drina and Neretva. Therefore, the West has
> insisted that these
> assets are given to the Croats. I must say that Croats
> are the only
> ones who have a real friend in Germany. Neither are the
> Americans
> friends of the Muslims, they have not done anything for
> the Muslims,
> nor have the Russians done anything for us, but Germans
> have always
> made sure that Croats get what they want. Therefore, the
> Croats could
> always accept everything that they (Germans) suggest.
>
> You have mentioned the mine Ljubija. It is interesting to
> note that
> Gorring has exploited these same territories in WW2. I
> think that CIA
> has taken everything from the Germans,.. photos and other
> intelligence. This is the essence of this whole thing.
>
> Now, in light of all this, you can understand why there is
> this green
> area on the map here. One other German, or more
> accurately, an
> Austrian, Kurt Waldheim, has committed genocide against
> Serbs here in
> WW2, for example, he has executed, slaughtered, in the
> area of Sanski
> Most, in one day over 5,300 Serbs. In this area, Bosanska
> Krupa and
> Bihac districts, Serbs were in absolute majority. Over
> 2/3 or 70 to
> 77%, of the population here was Serbian. Therefore, if
> you now
> attempt to tell the inhabitants of Mt. Grmech Region, Mt.
> Kozara
> Region or those of Sana Valley, and others from these
> regions that
> they will be dealt to someone else, you are going to meet
> vehement
> resistance not only from these people, but also from the
> people from
> here (points to South Eastern Bosnia). There is in
> existence an
> absolute National solidarity among people here and we all
> are equally
> concerned and interested in how our country will be
> shaped.
>
> If I remember correctly, Alija Izetbegovic has accepted
> this, but he
> later gave a completely different announcement on TV. Why
> ?
>
> Izetbegovic does not make decisions alone. He receives
> completed
> plans from the Americans. I can say with absolute
> certainty, this has
> already been confirmed, that first of all Zimmerman, and
> later other
> high American officials, have advised what to accept what
> to reject.
> In other wards, if the pressure was eased Izetbegovic
> would accept
> some things, however, they would encourage him again to
> reject
> agreements as they sould promise to help him retain
> unitary Bosnia.
> This war, if it was not caused by US, and I think it was
> because we
> could, with Lisbon Paper
>
> get by without a war, or at least we would be where we are
> now. We
> could heve 3 entities, and there would be no war.
> Zimmerman is guilty
> of this war because he talked Izetbegovic into rejecting
> the
> agreement. If US did not cause this war they are
> certainly extending
> it since whenever
> we came close to a suitable solution, some American would
> come and
> encourage Muslims to reject the agreement. We first hear
> (in the
> media)
> haw no pressure should be applied on either of the three
> sides.
> President Clinton has stated many times how he doesn't
> want a forced
> solution. This has been valid only for Muslims, since
> Serbs have
> always been pressured.
>
> Then, there was a big mayhem around Vance-Owen Plan in
> April and May.
> I remember that none from Republika Srpska leadership has
> come out on
> Serbian TV to explain. It was not clear to Serbian people
> what was
> meant by Vance Owen Plan. Why was it unacceptable to you
> ?
>
> Here is a more detailed map of Vance-Owen Plan. See, they
> were giving
> to the Muslims, on river Una, whole city of Krupa, even
> though half of
> it was ours, and before WW2 it was over 75% Serbian, they
> were giving
> away large part of Mt. Grmech, Sanski Most, Kozarac,
> Prijedor,
> Bosanski Novi.
>
> Mines again.
>
> Mines, river valleys, this is the heart of Krajina. They
> left
> completely barren areas of Mt. Grmech, Bosansko Grahovo,
> Drvar,
> Mrkonjic Grad. This is completely barren. There is no
> base for life
> or existence here. Only a small region of Lijevce Polje
> around
> Banjaluka was left for us. Furthermore, we lost Posavina
> completely,
> we were again cut off here (corridor). Again, you see
> this
> consistency in the Western based maps. Also, we lost
> Doboj, Mt. Ozren,
> Zvornik, whole Bratunac, which is Serbian. We lost a
> great deal of
> Foca. They gave us few wild-goat paths around here. This
> was a
> charicature of a map where Serbs would not have essential
> basis for
> existence. These were all water-logged areas,
> uninhabitable
> mountains, barren lands and generally areas with no
> natural resources
> and means for support of life. BH would stay within the
> current
> borders. We would be relegated to unimportant peripheral
> regions
> where we could absolutely not exist. There would be no
> Serbs in BH
> within 5 years. In addition, first attack by Croats would
> see Serbian
> Krajina fall to them. We could not even drive a bicycle
> through the
> corridor in the North, never mind anything else.
>
> Again, it looks like the battle was fought very carefully
> about assets
> and resources. It looks like they knew very well what to
> give you and
> what to confiscate. How could you calculate the monetary,
> or
> proportional (by population), value of this division ? I
> think that
> Serbs received, by far, the least.
>
> According to Vance-Owen Plan, Serbs are getting
> approximately 15% of
> BH. Current Plan is awarding to us approximately 20% of
> the
> real-estate
>
> value of BH, even though enormous part of the landmass is
> ours. I am
> not talking about, what some sworn Serbs regard that large
> numbers of
> people in BH who are currently Catholics or Muslims are of
> Serbian
> dissent and that they are Serbs. I accept the present
> reality that
> they do not want to be Serbs. Even this map of 1991
> census, which was
> largely falsified by Muslims, shows large areas inhabited
> and owned by
> Serbs. This is what Cutllero had in mind when he drew this
> map of
> roughly 50% Serbian BH. This is Alija's falsification.
> When we
> checked this map we found in many areas that there were
> more voting
> age people, that is population older than 18, the voting
> age, than
> total population of the same area. If you consider that
> non-voting
> population of any society is roughly 30%, the Serbs were
> cheated by
> 30% of the population numbers. Even with this you can
> still see that
> BH is predominantly a Serbian country. It is spotted with
> green
> (Muslim) areas. Here, (in the South) there is a compacted
> Croatian
> area, but the rest of it is in fact a Serbian land. Look
> at the
> current factual situation. Here you can see, and this has
> caught the
> foreigners' eye, that the Serbs are in fact on the
> parameter of their
> territories, and that this is by no means aggression. If
> we were to
> take over this (Muslim) area, even then it would not be an
> aggression,
> because it is an internal matter, or a civil war. We
> have, as you can
> see protected our people. In this area (Sarajevo region)
> there are
> around a hundred thousand Serbs, together with Sarajevo.
> We are
> currently pleading for their release as they are in fact
> ethnic
> prisoners. Look at Eastern Bosnia, the areas of
> Srebrenica, Zepa and
> Gorazde - what they have been reduced to. In 1948 Eastern
> Bosnia was
> completely populated by Serbs. Even by Alija's map in
> 1991 census
> between Trebinje
>
> and Sremska Raca 56% of the population was Serbian. Of
> course,
> Muslims want strategically to stay against river Drina and
> to retain
> contact with Sandzak and Kosovo. They are trying to
> create sleeve
> here for them (Gorazde), and they are telling us that
> after
> everything is said and done we will be able to trade this
> for
> something else. There is no Muslim alive who would dare
> to sign away
> East Bosnia. Even if anybody allowed him that much. This
> would be
> tantamount to us saying that we agree to give up all ties
> with Serbia.
> However, if we don't allow this then they are bound to
> exchange these
> enclaves.
>
> It is interesting that President Milosevic about a month
> ago had a
> meeting with people from government coalition and that he
> surprisingly
> devoted a significant portion of that meeting to a very
> knowledgeable
> presentation about the Drina Valley (Podrinje). He said
> that Podrinje
> is extremely important for Serbia of 21st century. He
> sees it as one
> of the most important issues for Serbia in the 21st
> century.
>
> Yes, we have talked. He had looked at some old drawings
> where river
> Drina would become a source of clean water and electricity
> for
> Belgrade.
>
> We have proclaimed Drina as the backbone of Serbian people
> - and that
> we would not allow Drina to be a border between Serbs and
> Serbs - and
> that Drina will be a source of water for Belgrade children
> as they
> will drink water from Drina. We will abolish all
> industrial
> installations such as Vitkovichi etc. on Drina and leave
> it as a
> source of electro-power and clean water. This will be one
> of rare
> European rivers with completely clean water, and Belgrade
> will be a
> metropolitan city with cleanest drinking water in Europe.
> New
> generations will drink fresh mountain water from Drina
> watershed. We
> can make 24 more hydro power stations on Drina. This can
> supply all
> Serbs with electricity. Drina has always been a Serbian
> river in its
> entirety. The fact that Muslims have a high natality rate
> does not
> give them the right to someone else's country. There used
> to be fewer
> Muslims in East Bosnia than in Sarajevo, Zenica and Tuzla.
> Those Serbs
> who could they fled. Zvornik, before WW2 was largely
> Serbian. Now,
> Zvornik is completely Serbian because Muslims fled to
> Central Bosnia,
> and Serbs from Central Bosnia fled to Zvornik. This is
> not ethnic
> cleansing. This is not planned relocation. This was
> decided and done
> by chaos. But, this is one of the new realities of this
> war. We have
> told Mr. Owen that if you wish to give Zvornik to Muslims
> you must
> move Serbs to Zenica and bring the Muslims from Zenica to
> Zvornik. To
> accomplish this, or to go back to status quo ante, you
> need a new war
> as big and as bloody as this one. That is why Zvornik was
> left out of
> negotiations.
>
> I have read an analysis of the battle for Gorazde by
> Joseef Bodanski,
> an American expert. It was interesting that he noted an
> essential
> difference which is that the Muslims lead an offensive,
> not Westward
> toward Sarajevo as expected, but Eastward toward Sandzak
> and Kosovo.
> Is it possible, can it be said then that your forces were
> protecting
> Yugoslavia ?
>
> Absolutely, we did defend Yugoslavia. Their aim was to
> break through
> to the border with Yugoslavia and to ignite Sandzak and
> Kosovo, so
> they could guarantee incidents continually. If they could
> reach the
> Yugoslavian border, constant incidents would be
> unavoidable. That
> would
>
> be a pretext for the international community to send
> military force
> and thereby to expose Serbia to further humiliation. To
> that end, I
> came up
>
> with a plan which the commanders developed into a working
> plan. The
> objectives were to repel the attacks toward Drina.
> Secondly, to
> return to Drina. Thirdly, to reduce the Gorazde enclave
> and render it
> unimportant. And fourth, to tell the truth, I had had
> enough of their
> offensives as it was beginning to look like they could
> gain something
> by force. All of us here decided that we must undertake
> a counter
> offensive as it was beginning to look like the Muslims
> could achieve
> something by force. Their allies were becoming hopeful.
> They were
> delaying negotiations to give the Muslims time. I
> announced through
> the news papers that we were preparing a counter
> offensive. I told
> them that if they did not cease their offensive within one
> week that
> we were going to mount a counter offensive. We executed a
> brilliant
> counter offensive. When the umprofor Generals saw it,
> they could not
> believe that we did it. Mladic was there in person giving
> direction.
> Many other commanders participated and they did an
> extremely good job.
> General Rose thought that the Muslims fled deliberately
> to induce
> NATO anger against Serbs. However, that is not true. The
> brilliant
> tactics of our Supreme Command was to attack their
> fortified positions
> with half of our forces. The other half went for soft
> spots and they
> made great gains. All of a sudden the Muslims realized
> that they were
> fired upon from all directions. They ran frantically.
> They held
> positions which they could defend for decades. This battle
> should
> enter history books of warfare since our forces conducted
> a brilliant
> attack from all sides, East, North, South and partially
> from the West.
> They persued Muslims. This was a large enclave
> stretching all the
> way to the boarder. We have reduced it to an unimportant
> region.
>
> Mr. President, since the problems with Yugoslavia began it
> is evident
> that all of you leaders had a dignified, reserved
> viewpoint. It was
> evident that you did not seek friction of any kind, even
> though you
> were characterized with rather rough language. As we
> mentioned at the
> beginning these maps were very poorly understood by the
> public. As
> we are in front of this very detailed map let's see what
> is your
> argument to counter these accusations from all sides.
>
> I am not going to talk about the accusations dealing with
> personal
> attacks from Serbia and Montenegro. We were all ready to
> relinquish
> power the minute we are united. I have never been in
> government even
> after last elections. Personally, until one month before
> the war, I
> was not even in the government. I conducted my usual
> work-related
> obligations, mornings in my riding office and afternoons
> elsewhere. I
> never used to spend time in the government.
>
> Let's stay with geo-political theme.
>
> Yes, here is what our brothers from Serbia do not
> understand. First,
> we fought for a country. We have a country. I am not
> talking about
> an area. It is between 68 and 70% depending on where the
> undecided
> territories end up. Percentages are not our exceptionally
> proud or
> satisfying part. But we are satisfied because it is a
> country. The
> country exists. It was formed on January 9th, 1992. It
> established
> its borders. It was confirmed in the war. It was
> liberated. It
> established its government. Its constitution has already
> been
> ammended once. It is a free country. The people, in this
> region, for
> the first time in the past 600 years feel completely
> free. We are
> most proud of the freedom. It is individual freedom. I
> beg of you to
> investigate this. Go talk with our people. You will see a
> total
> freedom and pride among Serbian people to be finally free
> and living
> in their country. With this other plan we are not loosing
> only
> territory, we are loosing the country. We are asked to
> accept BH with
> its outside borders as a country. This country would be
> recognized by
> UN. Inside this country, we don't have 3 or 4 entities as
> in
> Vance-Owen Plan, but we are getting one entity. Area-wise
> we are
> getting a bit more of Posavina than in V-O Plan.
> Therefore, since V-O
> plan we no longer have 3 entities, but one. We would have
> certain
> autonomy, we can call it Republika Srpska, with no
> international legal
> importance. When they in Serbia talk about guaranteed
> borders, these
> are not internationally recognized borders, but
> internationally
> guaranteed borders. What this means is that the
> international
> community guarantees that the Muslims would not attack us
> if we were
> to retreat to these borders. The guarantees of the
> international
> community is not worth much. This same international
> community (IC)
> has guaranteed Tudjman the AVNOJ borders of Croatia, and
> we still
> protected our areas there. The same IC guaranteed the
> borders of BH,
> but it could not keep the guarantee. In every future war
> we would
> loose everything since the Muslims would, from their new
> positions,
> destroy us.
>
> Forgive me. Can we identify the points which would be
> eventual
> springboards for future continuation. For instance,
> Kupres, Ozren,
> Brcko, Drina Valley.
>
> Yes, I wanted to add something overall. This is something
> which is
> better than V-O plan. If we signed V-O plan we would
> never have a
> country. If we sign this, we still would not have a
> country, but we
> would be in a somewhat better position. V-O plan was
> worse. We would
> not have a country. Therefore, not a single smart Serb
> would invest
> here as we have to go through the eye of a needle here
> (points to
> corridor). Absolutely uncertain, and this would not do.
>
> Let's look at the military strategic positions. The front
> line is
> approximately like this: Kupres is ours, then past
> Bugojno - that's
> ours, Donji Vakuf, Srbobran is ours over Komar Mt., then
> you go to
> past Mt. Vlasic, they took Vrucica Hotsprings even though
> it was
> ours, Teslic is ours, then the line goes this way (showing
> on the
> map), past Mt. Ozren to Vozuca past Spreca, past Trebava
> and somewhere
> around here (showing) to Majevica Mt.
>
> Kupres Vrata (door) is the door to Central Bosnia.
> Whoever controls
> Kupres and eventually Makljen they control a large area.
> You see,
> even if we did accept that Croats use this area
> eventually, we would
> not hand it over until the crisis between Serbian and
> former Croatian
> Krajina is concluded. We can not leave this area and
> allow the
> invasion, or any kind of pressure, on Serbian Krajina from
> Central
> Bosnia.
>
> Therefore, he who controls Kupres controls this area
> toward Glamoch,
> Shipovo etc. Furthermore, (moving up on the map) here they
> are taking
> a part of Mt. Grmech, a Sana River Valley all the way to
> Kljuc. These
> are best areas of this Krajina. Here it is bordering with
> mountains.
> From this other side they are taking Jajce, now complete
> city even
> though we agreed otherwise, and this is allowing the
> Muslims to, in
> some future crisis or war, or immediately after we
> retreat, connect
> this (these two points), thereby cutting off these two
> Krajinas from
> each other, i.e. Drvar Krajina from Banjaluka Krajina,
> thus opening
> the road to Banjaluka and Mrkonjic Grad in which case
> Banjaluka would
> fall. That is certain. If the Muslims are here (pointing
> to Sana
> Valley) and here (pointing to Jajce area) then there is no
> existence
> of either Drvar or Banjaluka Krajinas. They simply come
> down the river
> valleys and this has to fall because there are no good
> fortification
> positions from which to defend these areas. Mt. Ozren is
> being taken
> in its entirety, which we can not allow, Doboj, the whole
> city, they
> are leaving us a railway. Ozren dominates over
> surrounding valleys
> and Posavina can not be defended if we loose Ozren. That
> is why we are
> determined to defend Ozren, and will defend it to the end
> of war,
> including Vozuca. They 'lost (broke) teeth' there as they
> had large
> casualties. They want Vozuca badly.
>
> Take a look, for example, at this corridor. This looks
> more like a
> tunnel than a corridor. Here, the Serbs can not reside,
> live and
> prosper. We would have to maintain army bases along here
> to secure
> this difficult transit. They left us few paths, and
> substandard
> roads. They have not left us a single decent road or a
> railroad, they
> left a part of a railroad. We would loose population
> here.
> Eventually, we would have to crawl over or under, it
> doesn't matter, a
> certain bridge in Brcko, a rich city which was founded by
> us. They
> would be on top of Majevica Mt., O.K. currently we are
> both on top of
> Majevica, but we do not plan to go further, they do plan
> to go occupy
> Semberija Valley. That is why Majevica is important to
> them. It is
> not important to us to be on Majevica in conquering sense,
> since we do
> not wish to occupy their territories. As you can see
> here, we are
> squeezed here. Then, Mt. Romania was chewed off; from
> this side, Han
> Pjesak, the corridor here, is only around 10 km. This is
> absolutely
> critical as it can easily be cut here. Mr. Izetbegovic
> was always
> interested in Han Pijesak. He even wanted to trade Serbs
> from Han
> Pjesak with Muslims from Sandzak, which we can not even
> consider.
> Therefore, in any future war, this would happen again.
> Izetbegovic was
> not satisfied with access to Drina from this side
> (pointing South of
> S.P), but he wanted to reach Drina from this side
> (pointing North of
> S.P). Furthermore, you see these enclaves have grown so
> much. It is
> completely illogical. If they were asking to enlarge
> Central part
>
> of their country and to reduce enclaves, that would be a
> country
> building logic. But, they have no country building logic,
> they want a
> springboard for future connecting with Sandzak, Kosovo,
> etc. That is
> certainly their long term strategy. And Turkey is
> interested in this.
> As long as there is a connection between Central Bosnia
> and Sandzak,
> Turkey will harbour appetite for return to the Balkans all
> the way to
> Bosnia. Therefore, this is not important only for
> Republika Srpska.
> This is equally important to Yugoslavia, Montenegro,
> Macedonia,
> Kosovo, Bulgaria. Our position on river Drina is
> important to all
> these countries. It is important for stability in the
> Balkans. The
> minute the Muslims have no such ambitions, Turkey will
> revise their
> ambitions toward Bosnia and it will connect with it via
> the sea.
>
> This looks like this is not an imaginary thought, but a
> very concrete
> geo-political plan.
>
> Absolutely, this is not an imaginary thought, this is a
> long term
> strategic concept which does not have to materialize
> immediately.
> But, the Muslims are figuring long term, they are counting
> on their
> natality rate.
>
> I just want to comment on river Posavina which was 56%
> Serbian. Brod,
> before WW2 was Serbian, before this recent war, Serbs and
> Yugoslavs
> constituted a majority. Derventa, without Yugoslavs, is
> of Serbian
> majority, Modrica also. Shamac also. We are holding
> this from the
> beginning of war. Mr. Tudjman had agreed to get parts of
> Odzak
> district, a part of Derventa district and a part of Brod
> district.
> Brod, Derventa, Modrica, Shamac and few villages around
> Odzak which
> are inhabited by Serbs, would be given to Serbs. Why did
> they change
> this even though Tujman had already agreed with this, we
> don't know
> this, but this is one of the reasons why we don't want to
> accept it.
> Now, you see, when they were saying that we should have
> accepted V-O
> plan, and that this was not a problem, we have realized
> that this was
> a problem if Krajina was to be handed over to Croatia,
> because it
> would be enough if they had 5,000 soldiers here (corridor)
> and 5,000
> soldiers here (Zvornik
>
> region) since Zvornik would be handed over to the
> Muslims. But now,
> in current situation, it is enough to have a credible
> force here and
> in the Muslim parts of Bosnia, and on river Drina, to have
> the
> Yugoslavian crisis resolved by the wishes of the West.
> Germany can
> not stand neither Russian nor American soldiers any
> longer.
> Therefore, Germany will be left without NATO bases.
> America (US) does
> not wish to leave Europe. America must prove to Europe
> that Europe
> can't do anything without them. That is why they are
> prolonging this
> crisis. They are trying to get whole of BH and to get our
> signature,
> to legally and legitimately move NATO forces to BH and to
> stay here
> for ever. As soon as they arrive, they would immediately
> fill this
> area around Drina with large numbers of people, and a
> large force.
> They would start the provocations of Serbia again,
> satanization of
> Serbia, flaring up Sandzak and Kosovo, and further
> blackmailing of
> Serbia.
>
> Activating Vojvodina ?
>
> Activating Vojvodina, etc. We will not put our signature
> to NATO
> arrival here ! Serbia can not withstand such borders !
> If we give
> in, Serbia will have most hostile borders in the world.
> For example,
> with the exception of Romania, all its neibours have
> potential
> territorial appetites toward Serbia. Serbia will have to
> accept
> humiliation, since she is surrounded from all sides.
>
> Strategically it is completely surrounded.
>
> Absolutely, strategically it is completely surrounded. We
> are the
> lungs of Serbia, and its other leg on which Serbia can
> stand.
>
>
> Knowing the situation in Republika Srpska, knowing your
> parliament,
> and
> I think that in Serbia the power of your parliament is
> little known,
> even if you wanted, after this explanation, to accept and
> sign for
> something like this, you would not dare sign something
> like this,
> because, as I mentioned yesterday in a conversation with
> Professor
> Plavsic, your leadership would not stay alive very long if
> you
> accepted something like
>
> this.
>
> No, the leadership would obviously have to fall, but
> irrespective of
> that, the plan would not be accepted. However, what would
> happen then
> ?
>
> Then, I would expose our people to the bombing by NATO,
> because they
> are not honoring a signature. This way it is very
> difficult for them
> to come here without our signature. That would be
> illegal, and
> illegitimate. Otherwise, they need strong reasons for
> bombing. If we
> sign, we all can resign and leave our positions, but then
> it would be
> a different situation. It is not any longer Republika
> Srpska. Now,
> we are rebels, whose leadership has accepted BH, and
> whose particular
> elements are rebelling and do not obey, and then a hunting
> of Serbs
> and their rebel leaders would begin. We can not allow
> this. We have
> no right to do that, to legitimize and legalize presence
> of NATO on
> the borders of Serbia and in
>
> former BH and to legitimize the presence of NATO here, and
> to
> legitimize the hunting of Serbs whose leadership accepted
> a particular
> plan. The Serbs would not accept. I am not doing what I
> want, I am
> doing what I must do ! I can not accept this ! Nobody in
> our
> leadership can accept this. We have no cracks in our
> leadership.
> Supreme command is united, main headquarters is unified,
> the army is
> unified, people are united, we
>
> can not accept this, this can not be signed. Nobody has
> the right to
> sign this, and if it was signed it could not be
> implemented because
> the Serbs would rebel. But, then the Serbs would be easy
> prey to
> NATO, our signature would serve to pronounce them as
> rebels and allow
> their killing.
>
> Thank you Mr. President.
> 1 Before sanctions were imposed on Republika Srpska by
> Srbia, August
> 5, 1994..
>
> ------- End of forwarded message -------
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