The URL for this article is
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/lovie.htm
The Love Song of Arbour and Albright
by Jared Israel
Due to the stand taken by Slobodan Milosevic, everyone is asking: is the
Hague 'Tribunal' a legitimate court? If it is not, if it is in fact a
sham,
then it must be an instrument of NATO/Imperial rule; there is no third
alternative. And if it is an instrument of Imperial rule, used to
demonize
and punish those who, coming from materially poor countries,
nevertheless
dare to resist U.S. control, then citizens of the NATO countries must
act
against it. Otherwise, shall we not share a shameful responsibility? (1)
Below are excerpts from a joint press conference held April 30, 1999, by
Louise Arbour, then Chief Prosecutor of the ICTY (The Hague 'Tribunal')
and
U.S. Secretary of State Madeline Albright.
A) At the time, the United States and other NATO countries had spent
five
weeks perpetrating the main international crime: waging an aggressive
war
against a state which had invaded no other.
Moreover the United States and its allies:
* Bombed civilian facilities (a war crime)
* Dropped anti-personnel weapons (a war crime)
* Bombed a train and at least one refugee column (both war crimes)
* Bombed Serbian TV (a war crime)
* And deliberately created an environmental catastrophe by bombing
chemical
facilities in Pancevo (a war crime).
In the press conference, Arbour made no reference to these publicly
known war
crimes. Instead she accepted as her only field of concern NATO's
accusations
against Yugoslavia. These accusations, which have been over and over
exposed
as without foundation, and even lies, were used to justify the crime of
bombing Yugoslavia.
B) In this highly visible forum, Albright instructed Arbour to indict
President Milosevic.
[Start quote from Albright] "Well, obviously, the question of what is
going
to happen to Mr. Milosevic is a subject that is very much on our minds,
and
Justice Arbour knows what we have said both publicly and privately; that
she
and the Tribunal need to follow out the trail of evidence to its
conclusion.
We, as I said, are supportive of her efforts." [End quote from Albright]
Instead of rejecting what would be a gross and humiliating interference
if
the 'Tribunal' were a real court, Arbour coyly (and shamelessly) linked
the
execution of said indictment with increased funding and help in
gathering
(or, one should say, fabricating) evidence:
[Start quote from Arbour] "We are here, and elsewhere, to ensure that we
get
the assistance to move the cases forward in that direction. Whether it
points
to any particular individual, I think the law is very clear: there is no
immunity before our Tribunal for heads of state. There's no immunity,
essentially, for any individual, both in a personal or a command
responsibility position. All our discussions take place in that
framework."[End quote from Arbour]
C) The crucial question to ask about any would-be judicial system is
this: is
it independent? That is why Justice is pictured wearing a blindfold. At
the
end of the excerpts is a special section featuring Arbour's references
to
NATO countries as her 'partners.'
Hmmm. It occurs to me that if you just add one little 'e' to 'sham' it
gives
you 'shame.'
--JI
***
Press Conference Excerpts
Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and
Justice Louise Arbour, International Criminal Tribunal for the Former
Yugoslavia
Joint Press Conference
Washington, D.C., April 30, 1999
As released by the Office of the Spokesman
U.S. Department of State
Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and
Justice Louise Arbour, International Criminal Tribunal for the Former
Yugoslavia
Joint Press Conference
Washington, D.C., April 30, 1999
As released by the Office of the Spokesman
U.S. Department of State
http://secretary.state.gov/www/statements/1999/990430a.html
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Justice Arbour and I today discussed how the United
States can provide more information to the Tribunal, and how to speed up
delivery of potential evidence to The Hague. I assured her that we are
asking
Congress for additional resources for the Tribunal to meet new demands
for
investigations in Kosovo. And we discussed other needs of her
investigations,
which I am not going to get into, but which I assure you that the United
States will do everything we possibly can to meet.
We are also thinking ahead to the Tribunal's needs after the fighting
stops.
We have consulted with Justice Arbour and begun planning for how we
could
facilitate access by Tribunal investigators to crime scenes in Kosovo.
The Tribunal now needs real-time support for its Kosovo investigations,
and
the United States is determined to give it. The world needs to know
exactly
what is happening there, and we are committed to helping discover it.
Milosevic's victims, and those everywhere who love justice, need to know
that
there will be no impunity for those who commit these heinous offenses.
And
we're committed to helping the Tribunal ensure that those responsible
are
held accountable.
Justice Arbour.
JUSTICE ARBOUR: Thank you. I don't have a statement. I think I'd rather
turn
to your questions, except to say that I've had very fruitful
discussions. We
had announced a few weeks ago that we now need unprecedented assistance,
in
order to respond to the kinds of allegations that are coming out of
Kosovo in
a time frame that will make our work relevant. The discussions I've had
in
Germany, in the United Kingdom, here, and that I hope to have in France
next
week, are very much a part of our effort to obtain this kind of
assistance.
I'm happy to say that the support that is promised to us is starting to
materialize, and I hope that it will permit us to face this massive flow
of
information and organize it in a coherent fashion that will allow us to
discharge our mandate in a real-time environment.
QUESTION: Did you discuss an indictment of Slobodan Milosevic, and did
you
discuss reports that Justice Arbour is planning to leave this position;
and
what is the US view of that?
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Well, obviously, the question of what is going to
happen
to Mr. Milosevic is a subject that is very much on our minds, and
Justice
Arbour knows what we have said both publicly and privately; that she and
the
Tribunal need to follow out the trail of evidence to its conclusion. We,
as I
said, are supportive of her efforts.
She and I did not personally discuss the subject of -- it is my
understanding. We talked about the challenge of the position. I was
there
when she was chosen as prosecutor, and I made very clear to her our
tremendous support for the work that she has done and will continue to
do.
She is a great public servant, and someone that the international
community
has the highest respect for.
JUSTICE ARBOUR: ...We are here, and elsewhere, to ensure that we get the
assistance to move the cases forward in that direction. Whether it
points to
any particular individual, I think the law is very clear: there is no
immunity before our Tribunal for heads of state. There's no immunity,
essentially, for any individual, both in a personal or a command
responsibility position. All our discussions take place in that
framework.
[Arbour used the word "partners" several times in the press conference.
Following are some choice:
'PARTNER' EXCERPTS
1 - Arbour: "We have long-standing relationships with [NATO] information
providers. We are now looking at trying to accelerate the flow of that
kind
of information and the quality of the product. Of course, we're doing so
at a
time where that the collection capacity of all these potential providers
is
taxed by the need for them to collect information relevant to their
efforts
in the region.
"So we are, of course, competing with other interests at a time when
we're
trying to get access for information for our purposes. It's a dialogue
and a
partnership that we have to maintain."
2- Arbour: "I can assure you that one of the main subjects of discussion
that
I raised -- not only here but in all the capitals that I visited
recently --
is the need for an immediate, very robust arrest initiative in
Bosnia.... I
believe that what will ...have a very immediate impact -- would be the
demonstration that we have the capacity to investigate and we have
partners
who have the political will and the operational skills to execute arrest
warrants even in hostile environments."
3 - Arbour: "There's no question that we would like to access the
largest
number of pieces [of information] and to have the capacity to process
this
information. As I said, I think we've now put in place mechanisms that
allow
us, in partnership with many others who are in the field in Albania and
in
Macedonia, to try to process refugee accounts and, from our point of
view,
select those who will provide the best base for a court case that will
be
reflective of the magnitude of what has transpired."
Further Reading:
1) "Reichstag Fire Trial, the Sequel," by Jared Israel. Biting account
of
Slobodan Milosevic's appearance the the 'Tribunal.'
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/point1.htm
2) 'SZAMUELY'S LIST, PART 1 - 22 Reasons Why I Don't Want to be
Imprisoned by
the Hague Tribunal'
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/szamuely/szam.htm
3) 'Back to the Dark Ages?' by Jared Israel at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/bac.htm
4) 'Learning from the Inquisition,' by Prof. Kosta Cavoski at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/cavoski/c-4.htm
Thank you for reading Emperor's Clothes.
www.tenc.net
---
Questa lista e' curata da componenti del
Coordinamento Nazionale per la Jugoslavia (CNJ).
I documenti distribuiti non rispecchiano necessariamente le
posizioni ufficiali o condivise da tutto il CNJ, ma
vengono fatti circolare per il loro contenuto informativo al
solo scopo di segnalazione e commento ("for fair use only").
Archivio:
> http://www.domeus.it/circles/jugoinfo oppure:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crj-mailinglist/messages
Per iscriversi al bollettino: <jugoinfo-subscribe@...>
Per cancellarsi: <jugoinfo-unsubscribe@...>
Per inviare materiali e commenti: <jugocoord@...>
---- Spot ------------------------------------------------------------
Vuoi gestire da solo la pubblicita' della tua Newsletter?
Vuoi sapere quanti utenti hanno letto le tue News?
Vuoi pagare solo quello che consumi come traffico mail?
eC-Messenger e' il sistema white label ideato da Domeus
che ti permette di sfruttare al meglio le potenzialita' del
knowledge management e del CRM
http://www.domeus.it/ad2688590/interestmarketing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Per cancellarti da questo gruppo, invia un messaggio vuoto a: jugoinfo-unsubscribe@...
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/lovie.htm
The Love Song of Arbour and Albright
by Jared Israel
Due to the stand taken by Slobodan Milosevic, everyone is asking: is the
Hague 'Tribunal' a legitimate court? If it is not, if it is in fact a
sham,
then it must be an instrument of NATO/Imperial rule; there is no third
alternative. And if it is an instrument of Imperial rule, used to
demonize
and punish those who, coming from materially poor countries,
nevertheless
dare to resist U.S. control, then citizens of the NATO countries must
act
against it. Otherwise, shall we not share a shameful responsibility? (1)
Below are excerpts from a joint press conference held April 30, 1999, by
Louise Arbour, then Chief Prosecutor of the ICTY (The Hague 'Tribunal')
and
U.S. Secretary of State Madeline Albright.
A) At the time, the United States and other NATO countries had spent
five
weeks perpetrating the main international crime: waging an aggressive
war
against a state which had invaded no other.
Moreover the United States and its allies:
* Bombed civilian facilities (a war crime)
* Dropped anti-personnel weapons (a war crime)
* Bombed a train and at least one refugee column (both war crimes)
* Bombed Serbian TV (a war crime)
* And deliberately created an environmental catastrophe by bombing
chemical
facilities in Pancevo (a war crime).
In the press conference, Arbour made no reference to these publicly
known war
crimes. Instead she accepted as her only field of concern NATO's
accusations
against Yugoslavia. These accusations, which have been over and over
exposed
as without foundation, and even lies, were used to justify the crime of
bombing Yugoslavia.
B) In this highly visible forum, Albright instructed Arbour to indict
President Milosevic.
[Start quote from Albright] "Well, obviously, the question of what is
going
to happen to Mr. Milosevic is a subject that is very much on our minds,
and
Justice Arbour knows what we have said both publicly and privately; that
she
and the Tribunal need to follow out the trail of evidence to its
conclusion.
We, as I said, are supportive of her efforts." [End quote from Albright]
Instead of rejecting what would be a gross and humiliating interference
if
the 'Tribunal' were a real court, Arbour coyly (and shamelessly) linked
the
execution of said indictment with increased funding and help in
gathering
(or, one should say, fabricating) evidence:
[Start quote from Arbour] "We are here, and elsewhere, to ensure that we
get
the assistance to move the cases forward in that direction. Whether it
points
to any particular individual, I think the law is very clear: there is no
immunity before our Tribunal for heads of state. There's no immunity,
essentially, for any individual, both in a personal or a command
responsibility position. All our discussions take place in that
framework."[End quote from Arbour]
C) The crucial question to ask about any would-be judicial system is
this: is
it independent? That is why Justice is pictured wearing a blindfold. At
the
end of the excerpts is a special section featuring Arbour's references
to
NATO countries as her 'partners.'
Hmmm. It occurs to me that if you just add one little 'e' to 'sham' it
gives
you 'shame.'
--JI
***
Press Conference Excerpts
Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and
Justice Louise Arbour, International Criminal Tribunal for the Former
Yugoslavia
Joint Press Conference
Washington, D.C., April 30, 1999
As released by the Office of the Spokesman
U.S. Department of State
Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and
Justice Louise Arbour, International Criminal Tribunal for the Former
Yugoslavia
Joint Press Conference
Washington, D.C., April 30, 1999
As released by the Office of the Spokesman
U.S. Department of State
http://secretary.state.gov/www/statements/1999/990430a.html
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Justice Arbour and I today discussed how the United
States can provide more information to the Tribunal, and how to speed up
delivery of potential evidence to The Hague. I assured her that we are
asking
Congress for additional resources for the Tribunal to meet new demands
for
investigations in Kosovo. And we discussed other needs of her
investigations,
which I am not going to get into, but which I assure you that the United
States will do everything we possibly can to meet.
We are also thinking ahead to the Tribunal's needs after the fighting
stops.
We have consulted with Justice Arbour and begun planning for how we
could
facilitate access by Tribunal investigators to crime scenes in Kosovo.
The Tribunal now needs real-time support for its Kosovo investigations,
and
the United States is determined to give it. The world needs to know
exactly
what is happening there, and we are committed to helping discover it.
Milosevic's victims, and those everywhere who love justice, need to know
that
there will be no impunity for those who commit these heinous offenses.
And
we're committed to helping the Tribunal ensure that those responsible
are
held accountable.
Justice Arbour.
JUSTICE ARBOUR: Thank you. I don't have a statement. I think I'd rather
turn
to your questions, except to say that I've had very fruitful
discussions. We
had announced a few weeks ago that we now need unprecedented assistance,
in
order to respond to the kinds of allegations that are coming out of
Kosovo in
a time frame that will make our work relevant. The discussions I've had
in
Germany, in the United Kingdom, here, and that I hope to have in France
next
week, are very much a part of our effort to obtain this kind of
assistance.
I'm happy to say that the support that is promised to us is starting to
materialize, and I hope that it will permit us to face this massive flow
of
information and organize it in a coherent fashion that will allow us to
discharge our mandate in a real-time environment.
QUESTION: Did you discuss an indictment of Slobodan Milosevic, and did
you
discuss reports that Justice Arbour is planning to leave this position;
and
what is the US view of that?
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Well, obviously, the question of what is going to
happen
to Mr. Milosevic is a subject that is very much on our minds, and
Justice
Arbour knows what we have said both publicly and privately; that she and
the
Tribunal need to follow out the trail of evidence to its conclusion. We,
as I
said, are supportive of her efforts.
She and I did not personally discuss the subject of -- it is my
understanding. We talked about the challenge of the position. I was
there
when she was chosen as prosecutor, and I made very clear to her our
tremendous support for the work that she has done and will continue to
do.
She is a great public servant, and someone that the international
community
has the highest respect for.
JUSTICE ARBOUR: ...We are here, and elsewhere, to ensure that we get the
assistance to move the cases forward in that direction. Whether it
points to
any particular individual, I think the law is very clear: there is no
immunity before our Tribunal for heads of state. There's no immunity,
essentially, for any individual, both in a personal or a command
responsibility position. All our discussions take place in that
framework.
[Arbour used the word "partners" several times in the press conference.
Following are some choice:
'PARTNER' EXCERPTS
1 - Arbour: "We have long-standing relationships with [NATO] information
providers. We are now looking at trying to accelerate the flow of that
kind
of information and the quality of the product. Of course, we're doing so
at a
time where that the collection capacity of all these potential providers
is
taxed by the need for them to collect information relevant to their
efforts
in the region.
"So we are, of course, competing with other interests at a time when
we're
trying to get access for information for our purposes. It's a dialogue
and a
partnership that we have to maintain."
2- Arbour: "I can assure you that one of the main subjects of discussion
that
I raised -- not only here but in all the capitals that I visited
recently --
is the need for an immediate, very robust arrest initiative in
Bosnia.... I
believe that what will ...have a very immediate impact -- would be the
demonstration that we have the capacity to investigate and we have
partners
who have the political will and the operational skills to execute arrest
warrants even in hostile environments."
3 - Arbour: "There's no question that we would like to access the
largest
number of pieces [of information] and to have the capacity to process
this
information. As I said, I think we've now put in place mechanisms that
allow
us, in partnership with many others who are in the field in Albania and
in
Macedonia, to try to process refugee accounts and, from our point of
view,
select those who will provide the best base for a court case that will
be
reflective of the magnitude of what has transpired."
Further Reading:
1) "Reichstag Fire Trial, the Sequel," by Jared Israel. Biting account
of
Slobodan Milosevic's appearance the the 'Tribunal.'
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/point1.htm
2) 'SZAMUELY'S LIST, PART 1 - 22 Reasons Why I Don't Want to be
Imprisoned by
the Hague Tribunal'
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/szamuely/szam.htm
3) 'Back to the Dark Ages?' by Jared Israel at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/bac.htm
4) 'Learning from the Inquisition,' by Prof. Kosta Cavoski at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/cavoski/c-4.htm
Thank you for reading Emperor's Clothes.
www.tenc.net
---
Questa lista e' curata da componenti del
Coordinamento Nazionale per la Jugoslavia (CNJ).
I documenti distribuiti non rispecchiano necessariamente le
posizioni ufficiali o condivise da tutto il CNJ, ma
vengono fatti circolare per il loro contenuto informativo al
solo scopo di segnalazione e commento ("for fair use only").
Archivio:
> http://www.domeus.it/circles/jugoinfo oppure:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crj-mailinglist/messages
Per iscriversi al bollettino: <jugoinfo-subscribe@...>
Per cancellarsi: <jugoinfo-unsubscribe@...>
Per inviare materiali e commenti: <jugocoord@...>
---- Spot ------------------------------------------------------------
Vuoi gestire da solo la pubblicita' della tua Newsletter?
Vuoi sapere quanti utenti hanno letto le tue News?
Vuoi pagare solo quello che consumi come traffico mail?
eC-Messenger e' il sistema white label ideato da Domeus
che ti permette di sfruttare al meglio le potenzialita' del
knowledge management e del CRM
http://www.domeus.it/ad2688590/interestmarketing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Per cancellarti da questo gruppo, invia un messaggio vuoto a: jugoinfo-unsubscribe@...